One email I got from my recent Brexit posts asked the following;

You can argue that acceptance of an English identity is the reverse of racism or nativism, e.g. the mature embrace of one’s culture without the need to impose it on others or to deny the value of other cultures.
However, my question about all ‘identity’ issues is: how fine do we go? Regional (the North vs. the Midlands)? Civic? Language? Hobbies? Down to the level of the individual?

.. good question, to which I do not have a specific answer, other than the ‘will of the people’. I have heard it said that the day Texas secedes from ‘The Union’, so too will Austin secede from Texas. It’s a lot to do with the ‘will of the people’ and similar in vein to the one that connects to how much time must pass before things should be repatriated.

The Elgin marbles have been in the UK for a little over 200 years  – and at last check 40% of people in the UK feel that they should be returned to Greece. We still aren’t even at a 50.01 % majority and that vote is less than the combined ‘won’t vote / no opinion of 45%.

I know about the marbles – but still, put me in the ‘no opinion’ camp – I just don’t know enough. Sadly that doesn’t stop people voting in real elections, which might explain the pickle we are in.We now see that Scotland is pushing for another referendum, they have strong benefits of the EU and given that they significantly voted ‘Remain’ and only just lost the independence vote, I suspect a new referendum would see Scotland breaking away and joining the EU.

Separately, I don’t quite see the logic of being so adamant on your independence that the first thing you do is subjugate yourselves to something even larger and more controlling … go figure. Still we know that Scottish Nationalism is alive and well, and if I was a betting man – then the Scots will break away. I suspect also that Northern Ireland will go the same way for different reasons. But that might take longer.

And so, back to the Elgin Marbles, once all this is said and done, who then is in control of The British Museum (current home of the Marbles) … and who gets to decide where they go? It really isn’t clear cut. Around countries – it will be the will of the people. This is why the USA won’t be returned to the original natives of the continent any time soon – they just don’t have the vote!

Yorkshire people

  • .. and I speak as an honorary member of that fine county
  • .. and yes – I still see it as a single county – despite the ‘new’ boundary changes that have been in place for more than two thirds of my life.

Yorkshire people are proud of their heritage and are very clear on their identity – but I am not sure that there is a serious movement to ‘do a Scotland’. But heh – we are in a new era!

If that doesn’t answer the question – you know who you are … ping me back!

I worry about the 18-24 and the 25-34 demographics.

I would love to know what percentage of those groups actually voted. We do know that the younger people did not turn out in the droves that older people did. (Even though they are going to live with the consequences – which on the whole – the ‘old fart’ brigade will not.) I have this feeling that if the youth cared – the vote would have gone the other way. So why don’t they care?

  • Not aware ?
  • So disenfranchised that they don’t think voting matters ?
  • They see no difference between in or out ?

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Source – Lord Ashcroft Polls

This list of 8 was originally published on the BBC site. Click through if you want to see what they have to say. Read on if you want to read what I have to say.

Brexit economic warnings backfire

Of course they did – the arguments were being made by people that the ‘man in the street’ simply do not trust.

  1. because the ‘experts’ tend to talk amongst themselves and in terms that people on the street have a hard time comprehending.
  2. because the ‘experts’ usually ignore the ‘man in the street’ and only talk to them when they are ‘needed’.
  3. because the ‘experts’ are all part of the decisions that have been made to date – which hasn’t worked out too well for ‘the man in the street’ – so a vote against them might make things better.

£350m NHS claim gets traction

Yes it did. And it was debunked. By many people. Many times. Continually. But nobody stopped Boris trundling round the country in his big red bus and declaring it to be true.

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The comparison to ‘The Donald’ is clear, which roughly translates as the establishment ( I hate the word ‘elites’ – they are not – they are just people who benefit form maintaining the status quo) know the claim to be wrong and people will just see through it and vote accordingly.

Farage makes immigration the defining issue

From where I sit, Farage was but one of a raft of ‘establishment’ people for Brexit, with many other cases being made. The media picked up on the lowest common denominator and ran with it. And they continue to do so. For example, Buzzfeed did an excellent post on newspaper front pages from around the world. I did a quick tally on who was featured on the front page

  • Cameron – 2
  • Voters / People / Graphics – 10
  • Obama – 1
  • Farage – 5
  • Boris – 1

BTW – interesting to note that only Boris gets first name recognition – it’s so strong that he might just do a ‘Prince’, ‘Madonna’, ’Bjork’, ‘Beyoncé’ or ‘Cher’ ( I think that covers off all possible generational debate).

It is clear that Nigel Farage was positioned as the driver last Friday.

Public stop listening to PM


Stopped listening? If I might ‘channel Alice’ for a moment … how can you stop if you never started?

Labour fail to connect with voters

… goodness – not even Gordon Brown and Sadiq Khan could get their message across. Are you kidding me ?

Gordon Brown has clearly demonstrated two things;

  1. He is very clever. Knows his stuff. Is academically brilliant and we need more people like him contributing to running the world
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  2. And the key word is contributing. He has demonstrated over and over again that he has the personality of a paper clip which is not what you need when attempting to get your message across. (See my piece on Bizcatlyst last week). Sorry – nobody is going to listen to him.

(And where was Tony Bliar (sic)? Oh right. Even less people listen to him these days – thank god.)

And Sadiq Kahn? My god how short the media’s memory is … Sadiq won his election on May 5th of this year – until then, Zac Goldsmith, with overwhelming support of the media, had essentially positioned him as a terrorist – and now on a dime we want the public to spin round and listen to him – and act on his recommendations?

Big beasts – Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

Good strategy (if potentially self serving their personal ambitions) behind the ‘double act’ and good communicators – say what you like about Boris – he engages.

Older voters flock to polls

… pesky old farts … but this was so much about the future – where the HELL were the youth? Those that turned out overwhelmingly voted for remain. There just weren’t enough of them.

Europe always slightly alien

Slightly? Totally .… but not for why you might think. I’m getting there, because this out of all of the 8 reasons is the one that starts to touch on the issue I think is core.

A more complete analysis can be found here.

Meanwhile – think about this.

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If just 634,751 people (about 1% of the UK’s population) had voted to stay not go – the UK would not be leaving the EU. Now maybe there’s a reason why the youth that didn’t vote should have?

 

This was originally part of a post that I published on April 22nd of this year. Today, the day after the United Kingdom voted to exit Europe I am republishing it as a standalone piece. To remind myself of where I stood. And stand.The click though piece is written by Simon Wardley. He doesn't usually write on this kind of stuff - which is probably why it hit me.

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… as they say in ‘Blighty’.

If you are paying attention you will know that the UK are ‘about’ (June 23rd) to vote on whether The UK should exit the EU .. or stick with it. If you know of Brexit … then you are already tracking the for and against opinions. So I am not going to reference them all here.

If you don’t know of Brexit – stop reading. Now.

But – going back to the premise that you do know what it is, and you are wondering which way to vote. Read this. If that’s too long – then let me summarize with a single quote from Simon’s article.

To vote to remain, I would be doing the same to my son that was done to me. What would I say when he was older – I took away your power and gave it, without your permission, without thought for your future to unelected bureaucrats for a bit of security, safety and better job prospects?

Ok. Off you go. 

As a quick fact check, Corbyn (the ‘Bern’ of the UK) is for staying in. Fan though I am of Bern and Jeremy, J seems to be at odds with my thoughts. Boris ? He’s for out. Yup. Obama – he wants us to stay in. But we know that ‘Merica never – ever – is thinking about what is right for the ‘other’ country. So call me suspicious.

Bottom line – I am with Simon. It’s the long game I am interested in and democracy that I want.